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I believe there are three distinct Persons in the Godhead: God the
Father, Jesus His Son, and the Holy Spirit. Am I right or wrong
about this?
The
Father is clearly presented as God in the Scriptures. No one doubts
this. He is distinct from the Son, who is also God. The two divine
Persons comprise the one Godhead. The Holy Spirit, however, is not
presented in Scripture as a third and distinct Person of the Godhead.
The Spirit is personified on occasion, but is generally described
as the power and presence of the transcendent God in the natural
world.
David
said, "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from
Your presence?" (Psalm 139:7). Here, "Your Spirit" is synonymous
with "Your presence," showing that the Spirit of God is the spiritual
presence of the supernatural God in the natural world.
Speaking
of the conception and birth of Jesus, the angel Gabriel said to
Mary, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the
Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who
is to be born will be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35). Here,
"Holy Spirit" is synonymous with "power of the Highest," showing
that the Spirit of God is the power of God.
A
comparison of the parallel accounts of Luke 11:19,20 and Matthew
12:28 shows that "Spirit of God" is synonymous with "finger of God."
This describes God's "reaching down" and "touching" the lives of
human beings. It is simply another way of describing the presence
and activity of the invisible God in the natural world. The description
of the Spirit as the "finger of God" does not fit the belief that
the Spirit is the third Person of the Godhead.
Many
point to John 1416, where Jesus describes the Spirit as "another
Helper" (or "Comforter") having personal attributes. However, this
description is consistent with Jewish and biblical metaphors for
the divine attributesthe personification of "Wisdom," for example
(see Proverbs 8). Further, this section of John's Gospel is filled
with metaphorical descriptions. Jesus Himself said it clearly: "These
things I have spoken to you in figurative language" (John 16:25).
The
many passages that mention the Father and the Son, but make no reference
to the Spirit, reflect the New Testament writers' view of the Holy
Spirit. Check Matthew 11:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians
1:2,3; Galatians 1:3,4; Ephesians 1:2,3; Philippians 1:2; Colossians
1:2,3; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:2; 1 Timothy 1:2;
2 Timothy 1:2; Titus 1:4; Philemon 1:3; James 1:1; 1 John 1:3; 2:24;
5:20; 2 John 1:3,9; Jude 1:1; Revelation 21:22,23; 22:3.
If there are only two Persons in the Godhead (the Father and the
Son), how can one be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son,
and the Holy Spirit?
Jesus
said to His disciples, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven
and in earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded
you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age" (Matthew
28:19,20).
The
expression "in [eis, "into"] the name of" denotes "in recognition
of the authority of (sometimes combined with the thought of relying
or resting on)" (W.E. Vine, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament
Words, p. 772). Baptism is performed in recognition of the Father's
authority, which is administered through the mediatorship of the
Son and confirmed by the reception of the Holy Spirit.
The
fact that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned together
does not prove that all three are in precisely the same category.
Paul speaks of "God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels"
(1 Timothy 5:21), and no one would argue that the angels belong
to the same category as God the Father and Christ the Son. Similarly,
the fact that the Holy Spirit is mentioned along with the Father
and the Son does not mean that the Spirit is the third Person of
a triune Godhead.
Since
the expression Holy Spirit is consistently used in reference to
the presence and power of the transcendent God in the natural world,
it is not surprising that Jesus Christ, who has been given authority
in heaven and earth (the natural and supernatural worlds), should
mention the Holy Spirit in this context. In heaven, the Father gives
power to the Son. On earth, the expression of that power is called
the "Holy Spirit," "Spirit of God," or "Spirit of Christ" (Romans
8:911). It is the presence and power of God, both the Father and
the Son.
How do you explain Isaiah 45:5 when your belief is that God is a
Family?
Isaiah
45:5 states, "I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no
God besides Me." This passage tells us there is but one Godthat
is, one "Godhead," or "God Family"but does not address the question
of whether the Godhead is comprised of more than one Person. Other
passages show that both the Father and the Son may be addressed
with all the divine names and titles. Therefore, both are God. The
two divine Persons comprise the one Godhead.
There
are many Old Testament passages asserting that there is no God besides
the one God. All such statements are made in view of the many "gods"
acknowledged and worshiped by the nations. By saying, "There is
no God besides Me," God is saying that the so-called "gods" the
heathen worship are false deities. He is not saying that the Deity
(the Godhead) is restricted to only one divine Person.
The Bible says there is only one God. Yet, you speak of the Father
and the Son as the "two Persons of the Godhead." Doesn't this suggest
more than one God?
Both
the Old Testament and the New clearly state that there is only one
God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:39; 1 Corinthians 8:46; James 2:19). However,
this does not necessarily mean that the one Deity (or Godhead) is
limited to one Person. The Father is called "God" throughout the
New Testament. Christ is called "God" in only a few passages (see
John 1:1; 20:28; Titus 2:13,14; Hebrews 1:8), but some scholars
question the translation and/or meaning of some of these passages.
Nevertheless, the deity of Christ is clearly seen in the fact that
He is worshiped (Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:13), prayed to (Acts
7:59), and given titles denoting divinity (John 4:42; cf. Hosea
13:4; Revelation 1:17; cf. Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12).
The
unity and plurality of God can be understood by recognizing the
difference between essence and persons.
Consider
the following: (1) God is Spirit (John 4:24). Spirit, therefore,
is the essence of God. It is what God is. (2) There is only one
Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). (3) Therefore, God, who is Spirit, is one
in essence.
Our
conclusion, then, is that when the Bible says that God is one, it
means that the Deity is one in essencethat is, one Spirit, one divine
nature.
Now,
consider further: (1) The Father is God, and is personally distinct
from the Son. (2) The Son is God, and is personally distinct from
the Father. (3) Therefore, God is more than one in Person.
When
we put all these facts together, we can come to only one conclusion:
The Deity, or Godhead, is one in essence but more than one in Person.
In our tradition, we have used a simple description that we believe
adequately and appropriately conveys an understanding of the relationship
between God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son. We have spoken
of this composite unity as a Family, since "family" can be defined
as "any class of like or related things." Since the Father is not
the Son, but is like the Son in that the two Persons share the divine
nature, they may be described as a "Family."
One
way of understanding both the unity and plurality of God is through
comparing the Divinity with Humanity. Originally, Humanity consisted
of Adam and Eve. There was only one Humanity, but the one Humanity
was comprised of two distinct persons. As God is one in essence
but more than one in Person, so Humanity was "one flesh" (Genesis
2:24), but more than one person.
The
Bible even speaks of Humanity as if "he" were an individual person.
Speaking of the human race, God says, "Manis indeed flesh; yet his
days shall be one hundred and twenty years" (Genesis 6:3). God "saw
the wickedness of manand that the intent of the thoughts of his
heart was only evil continually" (verse 5). Similarly, God is called
"He" and "Him," and is often described as an individual Person.
But Scripture reveals that the one God is more than one in Person.
Of
course, this analogy breaks down at some point because of the limitations
of comparing flesh with Spirit. Nevertheless, it should help satisfy
our need to understand how God can be one yet more than one.
When
a Samaritan woman spoke with Jesus about the places of worship for
her people and His, He informed her that true worship is not restricted
to a place. He said, "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must
worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:24). He simply meant that God,
because He is Spirit and therefore not limited to a particular place,
can be worshiped anyplace. Jesus's emphasis is on how to worship
God, not where to worship Him.
Jesus
was applying to the worship of God what the Old Testament had already
revealed about Him. Since God is omnipresent, meaning that there
is no place inaccessible to Him, true worshipers can experience
His presence at any time and in any place.
David
said, "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from
Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make
my bed in hell [sheol, or "the pit"], behold, You are there" (Psalm
139:7,8).
Through
the prophet Jeremiah, God says, "Am I a God near at handand not
a God afar off? Can anyone hide himself in secret places, so I shall
not see him? Do I not fill heaven and earth?" (Jeremiah 23:23,24).
When
Solomon offered a prayer of dedication of the Temple, he said, "Behold,
heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less
this temple which I have built!" (2 Chronicles 6:18).
The
apostle Paul acknowledged God's omnipresence. He said that "He is
not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have
our being," and that "we ought not to think that the Divine Nature
is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's
devising" (Acts 17:27-29).
Believers
in China, Australia, Europe, Canada, Jamaica, the Philippines, and
the United States can fellowship with God through His Spirit at
precisely the same time; and, as Paul points out, there is "one
body [one universal church] and one Spirit" (Ephesians 4:4). The
Father and the Son share the one Spirit, the one divine nature,
that is not limited by time and space. The one Spirit is called
both the "Spirit of God" and "Spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9). "Christ
in you" is synonymous with the indwelling of "the Spirit of Him
who raised Jesus from the dead" (verses 10,11). As Paul says, "the
Lord [referring to Yahweh] is the Spirit" (2 Corinthians 3:17).
The divine name (Yahweh) may be used in reference to either the
Father or the Son, or to the composite unity we often call "the
Godhead."
The
Bible is clear; there is one essenceone divine nature, one Spiritbut
there is more than one divine Person. This omnipresent Spirit is
what we call "the Godhead," or "the Deity." It was the Second Person
of the Godhead who became Jesus Christ. This grand truth is expressed
beautifully in the prologue of the Fourth Gospel: "In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He
was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him,
and without Him nothing was made that was made. And the Word became
flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:13,14).
I
fully believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I am confused with one
question here though. Are we to worship Jesus Christ, when God states
in the Old Testament to only worship Him?
The
Bible clearly teaches that only God is to be worshiped. But it is
a mistake to assume that the term God is restricted to the Father
only. John 1:1 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God." This same "Word," we are told,
"became flesh and dwelt among us" (verse 14). The Word was none
other than Jesus Christ. He was with God (the Father), and He was
God. The one Godhead consists of two divine Persons, God the Father
and Jesus Christ the Son.
John's
Gospel is not alone in declaring the divinity of Jesus Christ. The
Synoptic GospelsMatthew, Mark, and Lukeinform us that Christ is
greater than the Temple (Matthew 12:6), is Lord of the Sabbath day
(verse 8), has power to forgive sins (Mark 2:5,10), has power to
baptize with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1:8), is the ultimate Judge of
the wicked (Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 3:17), and accepts worship (Matthew
8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 28:9,17).
We
can come to only one logical conclusion: Jesus Christ is truly God!
He is therefore worthy of our worship.
In
one of your articles you state that God has been here on the earth
and appeared to men. Yet, the Bible plainly states that no man can
see God and live. Are you not calling God a liar?
No,
we are not calling God a liar. When God told Moses that "no man
shall see Me, and live" (Exodus 33:20), He was saying that humans
cannot see God for all that He is. It is simply not possible. However,
God is fully capable of appearing in a form that can be seen by
humans. In fact, God made many appearances in Old Testament times.
Let's consider just one of them:
"Then
Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the
elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel. And there was
under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it
was like the very heavens in its clarity. But on the nobles of the
children of Israel He did not lay His hand. So they saw God, and
they ate and drank" (Exodus 24:9-11).
Now,
did the nobles of Israel see God, or not? This passage says they
did! Of course, we know from other scriptures that they could not
have seen God in His full glory, but the text plainly says that
they saw God! He presented Himself to them in a form they could
see.
The
appearances of God in the Old Testament are called Theophanies.
The term means "appearances of God." The article you refer to takes
the position that the divine Person who appears repeatedly as the
"Angel of the Lord" in the Old Testament is none other than the
preincarnate Christ, who is in very nature God.
You have said that the One who became Christ was the God of the
Old Testament, but Hebrews 1:1 says that God (not Jesus) at sundry
times and manners spoke to the prophets of the Old Testamentbut
now in these last times He has spoken to us by His Son, Jesus. Doesn't
this suggest that the Father spoke to the prophets and that Jesus
did not speak to the prophets or us at any prior time?
We
have stated many times that the Person of the Godhead who became
a flesh-and-blood human being was "the God of the Old Testament."
However, this statement needs some clarification. First, the word
God can be used in reference to the Godhead (the Father and the
Son together). It can also be used in reference to either Person
of the Godhead. Thus, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the
Family consisting of Father and Son is God. When we say that the
Person who later became Jesus Christ was "the God of the Old Testament,"
we mean that the Member of the God Family (or Godhead) who appeared
to and spoke with the ancients was the One who later came in the
flesh. Actually, it is correct to say that God the Father was the
God of the Old Testament. The Logos, or "Word" (John 1:1), served
as His Agent, or Spokesman, who acted on behalf of the Supreme Sovereign.
That both were involved in creation is seen in Genesis 1:26 and
in John 1:13. Genesis 1:26 states, "And God said, Let us make man
in our image, after our likeness." John 1:13 states: "In the beginning
was the Word [the Logos], and the Word was with God [the Father],
and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All
things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made
that was made." Thus, both divine Persons participated in creation.
Both are "God," though they differ functionally. Notice that Hebrews
1:1 says that God spoke to the prophets "in divers manners." One
of the "diverse manners" in which the Father spoke to the prophets
was through the One who later came in the flesh. When God sent His
Son, the Son spoke to His disciples directly, without the use of
prophets.
In Revelation 3:14, Jesus says He is "the beginning of the creation
of God." Was Jesus created first, before anything else?
In
Revelation 3:14, the term "beginning" is better rendered "origin"
(as in the New Revised Standard Version), or "source" ("prime source"
in the New English Bible). Christ was the Origin of the creation
of God, not in the sense of "original creation," but in the sense
of "Originator," or "originating Instrument." He was the "Beginning"
in that He was the Beginner. This concurs fully with John 1:3: "All
things were made by [or through] Him; and without Him was not any
thing made that was made." He obviously was not made, for nothing
was made without Him. This also agrees with Colossians 1:15,16:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
[or "firstborn of all creation," NRSV]: For [i.e., here's why He
is Firstborn of all creation] by Him were all things created, that
are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible." In
this passage, "Firstborn" is a title of preeminence. It tells us
that Christ has preeminence over all creation because He is Creatorthat
is, He was the Agent through whom the Father created all things.
He is obviously not one of the created "things."
Doesn't Proverbs 8:22-31 clearly indicate that the Logos was a created
beingin fact, the Father's first creation?
John
wrote, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things
were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was
made.And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld
His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full
of grace and truth" (John 1:13,14).
The
"Word," or Logos (Greek), was the Father's agent in Creation. He
was with the Father in the beginning, and was Himself divine. He
came to this earth as a flesh-and-blood human beingJesus Christand
gave His life for the sins of the world.
Many
early apologists and a few modern commentators believe the "Wisdom"
of Proverbs 8 is none other than the preincarnate Christthe divine
Logos who acted as the Father's agent in creation and in communicating
with the ancients. However, most recognize the poetic nature of
the passage and conclude that the author was using simple personification.
Personification
is common in ancient and modern literature, and was used frequently
by the prophets and poets of Israel. In the Hebrew texts, sin lies
in wait for unsuspecting victims (Genesis 4:7), Abel's blood cries
out to God (verse 10), cyprus trees and the cedars of Lebanon rejoice
over the fall of the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14:8), the grave excitedly
expects to meet the king (verse 9), mountains and hills rejoice,
and the trees of the field clap their hands (Isaiah 55:12). It's
not surprising to find "wisdom" offering admonition to the foolish,
and there's no reason to think that the poetic description of this
virtue is anything other than simple personification.
Even
if Proverbs 8 does in some way allude to the preincarnate Christ,
it does not prove that He was created at some point in time. Wisdom
was "brought forth" before the earth was created (verses 23b,25),
but "brought forth" does not necessarily denote origin with reference
to time. In the same breath, Wisdom informs us, "I have been established
from everlasting" (verse 23a), indicating that there was never a
time when she did not exist.
Generally,
the poetic description of Proverbs 89 should not be interpreted
Christologically, but should be understood simply as the personification
of an outstanding virtue.
In
Isaiah 48:16, the speaker, who is clearly God, distinguishes Himself
from two other personalities. He refers to one as the "Lord God,"
and to the other as "His Spirit." Doesn't this prove that God is
a Trinity?
Isaiah
48:16 states: "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in
secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me." In the preceding
verses, and perhaps in the first part of verse 16, God is the Speaker.
However, in the latter part of verse 16, the prophet is the speaker.
He speaks of his own divinely appointed mission. Of course, the
prophet's words, in their fullest sense, apply to the Messiah and
His mission.
The
"Lord God" and the Messiah are two distinct Persons, but why should
we think that "His Spirit" is a third Person? Remember, Scripture
tells us that man has a spirit (1 Corinthians 2:11; Ecclesiastes
12:7). Is a man's spirit a person distinct from the man? Of course
not! Why, then, should we think that "His Spirit" is a personality
distinct from the "Lord God"?
The
Spirit of God is consistently presented as the power, spiritual
extension, influence, indwelling, and presence of Godnot as a third
Person within a triune Godhead. This definition applies perfectly
to Isaiah's reference to "His Spirit."
Isaiah
48:16 provides no support for trinitarian dogma.
Why is Christ called "the everlasting Father" in Isaiah 9:6?
The
Hebrew term translated "father" is ab, which means father, ancestor,
source, or inventor. The reference to Christ as "everlasting Father"
is rich in meaning. He is a Father in the sense that He is Creatorthat
is, He was the active Agent through whom God created all things
(John 1:1,2; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2). He is also a Father
in the sense that He is the Source of salvation, the Head of the
new creation (Ephesians 1:21,22; Colossians 1:18). As the first
Adam was the father of "those who are made of dust," the second
Adam (Christ) is the Father of "those who are heavenly" (1 Corinthians
15:47,48). This does not mean that Christ and God the Father are
one and the same; it simply means that Christ is a Father in the
sense that He is the Beginning, the Origin, of God's spiritual creation.
The patriarchs of IsraelAbraham, Isaac, Jacob, the sons of Jacob,
and the heads of the tribes that descended from themare repeatedly
referred to as "the fathers" in Scripture. (The term patriarch means
"father.") Christ, as the singular Seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:16),
is the everlasting Patriarch of Abraham's spiritual seed. Paul wrote,
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed [regardless
of physical lineage], and heirs according to the promise [the promise
given to Abraham]" (Galatians 3:29). The title of Father belongs
to God the Father in a unique way, but Scripture reveals that the
term has different senses of meaning and appropriately applies to
many. Since the first Adam is the father of humankind; since Abraham
is the "father of the faithful"; since he, along with Isaac, Jacob,
Jacob's sons, and the heads of the tribes of Israel are called "fathers";
and since the apostle Paul refers to himself as a "father" to the
Christians at Corinth (1 Corinthians 4:15), it is not surprising
that Christthe divine Agent in creation; the second Adam; the Origin,
Beginning, Source, and Head of God's spiritual creationis called
"everlasting Father" in Isaiah 9:6.
You have stated that Jesus Christ bled to death after being pierced
by a Roman soldier's spear (or sword). However, John 19:33,34 says
that the soldier pierced Jesus after seeing that He was already
dead. Why do you say that Jesus was pierced before He died?
First, let's notice the wording of Matthew 27:48-50 as it appears
in the King James Version (KJV):
"And
straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with
vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave Him to drink. The rest said,
Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save Him. Jesus, when
He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
This
passage says nothing about Jesus being pierced. However, many ancient
manuscripts include a statement at the end of verse 49 that does
not appear in the KJV. This statement is included in some of our
English versions, including the Fenton and Moffatt translations.
Notice how the Fenton translation renders verses 49 and 50:
"But
the others called out, 'Let Him alone! Let us see whether Elijah
will come and save Him!' But another taking a spear pierced His
side, when blood and water came out. Jesus, however, having again
called out with a loud voice, resigned His spirit."
The
Moffatt translation renders the passage similarly: "But the other
said, 'Stop, let us see if Elijah does come to save him!' (Seizing
a lance, another pricked [the Greek root is nussoo, which means
"pierced"] his side, and out came water and blood.)"
Neither
Mark's account nor Luke's tell of Jesus being pierced, but remember
that no one account describes all the details. In order to get a
full picture of what happened, and the order in which each event
occurred, it is necessary to put all the accounts together, and
to consider any possible variation in translation. With this in
mind, let's turn our attention to John's account.
John
19:33,34 states: "But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was
already dead, they did not break His legs. But one of the soldiers
pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came
out."
This
account, as it appears in English, seems to say that the soldier
pierced Jesus after it was discovered that He was already dead.
The usual explanation is that they wanted to make sure He was dead.
However, in the Greek, the word translated "pierced" in our English
Bibles is in the aorist tense; therefore, the term ("pierced") refers
not to the time of the action, but to the kind of action. Since
"pierced" is in the aorist tense in the Greek, the passage could
mean that Christ was pierced after the soldiers discovered that
He was dead, or it could mean that He had already been pierced when
the soldiers observed that He was dead. It can be understood either
way, but in view of Matthew's account, with the insertion of the
missing portion of verse 49 (chapter 27), we have reason to believe
that John was saying that the soldiers didn't break Jesus's' legs
because He was already dead, having been pierced.
Other
scriptures support the above. For instance, the manner in which
the Passover and other sacrifices (all of which foreshadowed Christ)
were killed (they were "pierced," or cut with a blade, and bled
to death) more closely fits the description of Christ bleeding to
death as the result of being pierced. While this alone does not
prove that Christ died after being pierced, when all things are
consideredthat is, the missing verse, John's use of the aorist tense,
and Christ's death compared with the Passover sacrificeit is evident
that Christ died after being pierced.
It
is also significant that Pilate marveled that Christ's death occurred
so quickly (Mark 15:4245). When report came that He was already
dead, Pilate checked with a centurion to make certain that He was
in fact dead. Pilate knew that death through crucifixion involved
prolonged suffering, often lasting two or three days. The two "thieves"
who were crucified alongside Christ died after having their legs
broken, but Christ was dead already. Why did His death occur so
soon? The most plausible explanation is that He bled to death the
result of having been pierced.
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